What's your uname?

[archvortex]

I do have them installed and on purpose because I'm too lazy to manually edit shit in my installation at the moment.

All I wanted was just one fuck
One tiny little innocent fuck
And when I feel like I'm shit out of luck
I find myself pussified, coming back again

This one is even more pussified while I test s*****d

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archvortex@ArchLinux:~$ uname -a
Linux ArchLinux 4.3.3-2-ARCH #1 SMP PREEMPT Wed Dec 23 20:25:12 CET 2015 i686 GNU/Linux

So far there is a difference of between 100-120 MBs of RAM compared with LinuxBBQ and sysvinit :)

[machinebacon]

That's the point, and I don't see any added benefit (or 'Unique Selling Point') in using systemd. Or maybe I am too much of a noob to understand it :)

[dkeg]

Ignorance is bliss

[archvortex]

If you're using new gear with 4 or more Gigs of RAM you're not going care about 100 MB with systemd, but since we run linux on some older computers we do care and sysvinit or another init does what we need. I rarely need swap with BBQ but with Arch and systemd, as soon as I open Chromium with three tabs open it starts using swap and there's a 200-300 MB difference with BBQ.

[machinebacon]

"ps f" simply looks better in sysvinit :D

[pidsley]

If you're using new gear with 4 or more Gigs of RAM you're not going care about 100 MB with systemd, but since we run linux on some older computers we do care and sysvinit or another init does what we need. I rarely need swap with BBQ but with Arch and systemd, as soon as I open Chromium with three tabs open it starts using swap and there's a 200-300 MB difference with BBQ.

Apples and oranges, imo. Arch uses more memory than Debian no matter what init I use, and that's not necessarily a bad thing. You can't assume that systemd uses more memory just because Arch and systemd uses more than Debian and sysv. Compare Debian with systemd and sysv if you really want to see if it makes a difference. That gives me an idea for an experiment...

Personally, I don't care what init system I use. I have installs with systemd, sysv, and busybox. There are advantages and disadvantages for all of them.

On topic: I usually stick to the LTS kernels, but I recently built a 4.3.3 kernel on CRUX while experimenting with ccache and distcc.

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Linux fatman 4.3.3-pidsley #1 SMP PREEMPT Fri Jan 1 16:45:46 PST 2016 x86_64 Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q8200 @ 2.33GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux

[archvortex]

Thanks Pidsley for reminding me. #! was actually a little less in RAM usage than ArchBang when both ran with sysvinit. I'll do an install of Jessie and see the difference now with both Debian and Arch running systemd. You also gave me an idea about using my own kernel for running Debian and see if that stops my niggly little problems.

[noo_b_nomnoms]

Here goes:

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bbq@hello:~ $ uname -a
Linux hello 3.12-8.towo-siduction-686 #1 SMP PREEMPT Thu Jan 16 09:12:39 UTC 2014 i686 GNU/Linux

[ChefIronBelly]

$ uname -a
Linux thebuffet 3.16.0-4-586 #1 Debian 3.16.7-ckt20-1+deb8u3 (2016-01-17) i686 GNU/Linux

[machinebacon]

user@grill:~$ uname -a
Linux grill 4.3-3.dmz.4-liquorix-686 #1 ZEN SMP PREEMPT MX 4.3-9mx150+1 (2015-12-30) i686 GNU/Linux

Trying dat liquorix for fun. It all feels quite the same.

[Dr_Chroot]

drchroot@grill:~$ uname -a
Linux grill 4.4.0 #1 Fri Jan 22 15:14:24 UTC 2016 i686 GNU/Linux

Finally was able to compile a kernel from kernel.org source and have it boot up :D

My hero was

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make localmodconfig

Much easier than trying to track down everything in menuconfig :)

[ivanovnegro]

Trying dat liquorix for fun. It all feels quite the same.

Even here:

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Linux slack 3.10.17 #2 SMP Fri Feb 14 16:45:28 CST 2014 x86_64 Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Duo CPU     T5870  @ 2.00GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux

[vic]

All comfy here on BREAK! with

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Linux grill 4.2.0-trunk-586 #1 Debian 4.2-1~exp1 (2015-08-31) i686 GNU/Linux

Have not tried Liquorix since the golden times of ENOUGH! I loved it, worked wonderfully well. Suddenly after a d-u it went belly up on me. :)

[ChefIronBelly]

Let me bore you with some stable. (1st partition on new laptop drive)

$ uname -a
Linux humangrill 3.16.0-4-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 3.16.7-ckt20-1+deb8u3 (2016-01-17) i686 GNU/Linux

[pidsley]

Trying some things on my rpi again.

Buildroot for the rpi, from here: https://github.com/gamaral/rpi-buildroot

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Linux rpi 3.18.9 #1 PREEMPT Sun Mar 8 10:25:34 PDT 2015 armv6l GNU/Linux

Raspian Wheezy noX, from here: http://nightly.raspberrypi.org/nightlyi ... -wheezy-1/

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OS: Raspbian GNU/Linux 7 (wheezy)
Uptime: 0d 0h 7m
Shell: /bin/bash
Disk: 747M / 3.6G
Mem: 28M / 434M
Kernel: Linux 4.1.16+ armv6l
CPU: ARMv6-compatible processor rev 7 (v6l)

$ uname -a
Linux tinycat 4.1.16+ #832 Sun Jan 24 12:54:04 GMT 2016 armv6l GNU/Linux

[ChefIronBelly]

^ Thanks for the links built the top one today will check out tonight.

$ uname -a
Linux raspberrypi 4.1.16+ #833 Wed Jan 27 14:29:11 GMT 2016 armv6l GNU/Linux

[ChefIronBelly]

uname -a
Linux humangrill 4.3.0-1-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 4.3.3-7 (2016-01-19) i686 GNU/Linux

Fresh SiD install on new laptop drive second partition.

[pidsley]

I usually run an LTS kernel on my CRUX box, but I felt like building something newer.

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CRUX 3.2 fatman:~ $ uname -a
Linux fatman 4.4.1-pidsley #1 SMP PREEMPT Tue Feb 2 16:40:03 PST 2016 x86_64 Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Quad CPU Q8200 @ 2.33GHz GenuineIntel GNU/Linux

[ChefIronBelly]

^ nice

Vanilla SID

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uname -a
Linux soylent 4.3.0-1-686-pae #1 SMP Debian 4.3.5-1 (2016-02-06) i686 GNU/Linux

[machinebacon]

Linux grill 4.1-4.dmz.1-liquorix-686 #1 ZEN SMP PREEMPT Debian 4.1-6 (2015-08-04) i686 GNU/Linux

Behaves very well on my Stinkpad T43, less so on the Toshiba (overheating like a boss).