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Re: Alpha Testing

Unread post by machinebacon » Wed Jul 13, 2016 11:39 am

You have restarted the keyboard service using "service keyboard-setup restart"? Sometimes it needs a reboot or at least a full logout.

What you describe about "acting like compose" must be a setting in keyboard-configuration or console-setup-linux. Could you install additionally "console-setup" from the repos? It should pull in xkb-data IIRC, which might solve your problem in X.
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Re: Alpha Testing

Unread post by machinebacon » Wed Jul 13, 2016 11:42 am

Quite misleading that a noX release cares about the stuf that people will need in X ;)

But it's okay, the ISO size does not change much, and it would have to be added anyway later if people use X.
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Re: Alpha Testing

Unread post by wuxmedia » Wed Jul 13, 2016 11:44 am

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so that should have been ls -ls not ls "thing"
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tried all that, not much doing. gonna reboot one more time.

I see the emacs error will go with the clean .xinitrc.

Yeah it is annoying. Or rather, I am annoying :)
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Re: Alpha Testing

Unread post by machinebacon » Wed Jul 13, 2016 11:48 am

^ the xinitrc is originally just there as demo, I have already added a pristine xinitrc for the next spin.

Read the file "X11" too, so your term looks normal again ;)

Well no idea about keymaps, I will now remix the fixed version and then add X on top with i3 and a japanese (read: non-US) keyboard.
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Re: Alpha Testing

Unread post by wuxmedia » Wed Jul 13, 2016 12:15 pm

yeah, nobody else has this?
I assume you all use US keymaps.

i installed 'xorg' seems to have given most packages.
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And what's wrong with this term exactly ? :P
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Re: Alpha Testing

Unread post by machinebacon » Wed Jul 13, 2016 12:33 pm

^ uhh, you like the defaults with reversed video? hahh, ok ;)
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Re: Alpha Testing

Unread post by wuxmedia » Wed Jul 13, 2016 12:39 pm

^ hey it's super sunny up in this "office" today!
this lappy's screen is pretty crappy in the dark, let alone sunshine :P

that is another possible point, I know this is a NoX release, but are we implementing the dkeger script?

another question, -README says 'bbqinstaller' (dialogged one), as opposed to bbqinstall (simple script)
I used the dialog 'bbqinstaller' one and had no issues, but didn't we frown upon that for a bit, re support enquiries, or was that just me?
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Re: Alpha Testing

Unread post by machinebacon » Wed Jul 13, 2016 12:59 pm

^ sure, dkeger is always there, I won't remove it just because noX is noX. Else we would drop all xcolors, too ;)

Yup, bbqinstaller is still there, people want to have the option to skip GRUB installation, so I kept it as default. Both shall work.

okay, so I added X11 on top and all that shit that goes with it, dpkg-configure keyboard-configuration > Japanese, edited .xinitrc for setxkbmap jp, started X, and everything works as promised.

So, I am not sure where your problem is exactly, I am pretty sure it has to do with the keymap in keyboard-configuration, where you can select Alt-Gr and Compose. Good luck and tell us when you have news.
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Re: Alpha Testing

Unread post by wuxmedia » Wed Jul 13, 2016 1:14 pm

I'm all for dkeger, needs this to implement the include line in this thread:
http://www.linuxbbq.org/bbs/viewtopic.p ... ger#p55233

or at least hint to it in the dkeger script.

annoying how one can't put "~/.Xresources_colors" instead of "/home/user/.Xresources_color".... hmm unless that resource file gets written in /usr/share somewhere, so the user never touches it?

^ I'll wait for the alpha v2 and re-install, and try not to press some random shit next time... :)
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Re: Alpha Testing

Unread post by machinebacon » Wed Jul 13, 2016 1:34 pm

^ well, how else should 'dkeger' know where to source from? It does scan the xcolors directory (that is mirrored from github/xcolors), creates the menu, the user chooses, and then the colors are added into ~/.Xresources_colors. The default path is described in the readme (X11). New users cannot do more than to read the documentation. Revert to the old version, where ~/.Xresources get the path to xcolors/xcolor_code/colorname appended as #include? no good, because it might awk/sed other parts of Xresources and bork the file. I rather keep one line static (#include username).
Edit: I now understand what you mean by "annoying" - that Xresources doesn't handle these shortcuts! Got it :)

Oh and by the way, there is "setup" that can be used alternatively to setup new users - that script automatically adds the include line for the newly created user. Guess why I don't mention it anymore -- because even though I put it in bold red letters into the release notes and README, nobody cared reading and thus using the script. So what can we do? I totally sign: "edit your Xresources ONCE, because I know you don't bother to read the README", instead of wasting hours of manpower to find a solution that nobody cares about.

As last solution, I can simply add a "create new user" into the installer, and then the installer populates Xresources. No biggie. It does not solve the problem of "what if I rename the file" though.
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Re: Alpha Testing

Unread post by machinebacon » Wed Jul 13, 2016 2:07 pm

long story short, Alpha 2 is in the blender, should be available in the next 4 hours.
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Re: Alpha Testing

Unread post by pidsley » Wed Jul 13, 2016 2:18 pm

I added some enhancement requests to waffle. I notice the tmux.conf issue has already been noted and fixed; thank you.

On a philosophical note, I think we should avoid creating scripts to do things like setup a new user or even to add X and a WM. These scripts always create more work than they are worth, don't teach anyone anything, and the support requests focus on how the script is "broken" rather than the real problem. I think it's better to write how-to topic and teach people; then if things don't work the way people expect, at least we have a clue what might be wrong. Just my opinion, of course.

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Re: Alpha Testing

Unread post by machinebacon » Wed Jul 13, 2016 2:44 pm

^ I agree, that's exactly what I meant to say. The maximum I do is adding a README. Can't add eyes to it ;)

And I have incorporated your requests, the new ISO will have them fixed. Thank you! :)
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Re: Alpha Testing

Unread post by wuxmedia » Wed Jul 13, 2016 2:47 pm

You guys are right, the X11 readme explains it.
I was just thinking a bit too much, all be fine if we could put a $USER shortcut in there.

hah! one can do:
#include ".Xresource_colors" and it seems happy with the relative path...
.Xres has to be in /home/$USER anyway and dkeger always writes to /home/$USER so maybe that?
or not, I'm happy I've solved my own little problem :)
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Re: Alpha Testing

Unread post by wuxmedia » Wed Jul 13, 2016 2:53 pm

SF looks cankerous, Bacon do feel free to up to the iso folder, you have PM...
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Re: Alpha Testing

Unread post by machinebacon » Wed Jul 13, 2016 4:00 pm

^^ oh wow, makes sense! I put this in our notes
^ fantastic, thanks a lot
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Re: Alpha Testing

Unread post by machinebacon » Wed Jul 13, 2016 7:07 pm

Here's the second (and last) Alpha, if you find bugs please report, if you have feature requests please post - it's your last chance ;)

http://www.linuxbbq.org/iso/linuxbbq-an ... 160713.iso
md5sum: ca1594b3813a3a9a0f6a45525fc89ef7 linuxbbq-anorexia-20160713.iso


Changes for 20160713
* updated/fixed README and X11 help file
* added pristine ~/.xinitrc in /etc/skel
* updated new version of env-info
* added openssl/ca-certificates
* fixed tmux.conf
* added console-setup and console-common
* added slmenu with some items (press Alt-d in terminal)
* added virgin .xinitrc

Expected changes for Beta 1:
* add bbqtools to slmenu
* little fix for .Xresources
* new background image for bootloader
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Re: Alpha Testing

Unread post by wuxmedia » Wed Jul 13, 2016 7:19 pm

Hmm, perhaps my old skool plan of using CD's (just like the old days) might have been slightly silly :)
I'll get out the old USB stick and test this tomorrow
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Re: Alpha Testing

Unread post by wuxmedia » Thu Jul 14, 2016 9:14 am

first impressions:
bbqinstaller seems nicer, bigger window for copying files :)
console font looks nice. are those the default colours (for root)?
Weird - the debian loadbalancer fucked up some hashes, it would not upd... changed first entry to "ftp.uk.debian.org" in /etc/apt/sources/debian.list and it looks and upd's fine.
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Re: Alpha Testing

Unread post by wuxmedia » Thu Jul 14, 2016 10:29 am

shock of the day, alt-dot still (for me) fucks up :(
installed X et al (as per ~/X11) and i3
didn't touch a thing related to keyboards still on "us" in xinitrc.

installed xfce4-terminal and all alt-dot ness works as expected, so something not connecting with .Xresources or xterm.

just for info, couldn't get urxvt to load from the beginning, complained about basefont. worked fine when I xfontselected and put it with -fn.
DID work after installing xfonts-terminus and a reboot/login perhaps put those together in the 'install for example urxvt'
PS alt-dot, as I'm sure by now you are fed up of hearing about, is fine and normal in urxvt also.. <- Not any more after purging xfce4-terminal.
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