I guess I'll start this thread, though I'm definitely not gonna be the one to fill it up.
Some stuff from Busa Pista:
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Also, Zuboly. A pretty interesting/unique take on folk music, they mix it with pretty much anything it seems:
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thanks for starting it Kex. just one thing: could you consider either adding direct links and descriptions (artist - title) in text to the post, for those of us who use text-browsers, OR simply forego embedding altogether? embeds also slow down pageloads, so it is "discouraged" so to speak. you are obviously also free to not give a fuck :)
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Sure, I switched it out :)
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Maybe we should ask Wux to finally kill the embed thing.
Edit: It also uses Flash even though on Youtube it is mostly HTML5. Hm?
Edit: It also uses Flash even though on Youtube it is mostly HTML5. Hm?
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^ good plan. let's see what everybody thinks.
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just discovered Ternipe. this shit is fantastic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0PiTqaioeSo
and this one too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOAmmZISH-g
thanks Hungary!
and this one too: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOAmmZISH-g
thanks Hungary!
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Brief history of Hungarian pop music 1968-1978
In the middle and end of the 1960s, Hungary's pop music scene was still largely dominated by "Schlager"-style music. Western influences were not wished (too wild and liberal), so Hungarian beat bands had to mix the Hungarian folk elements with ideas from the rock bands from the west, and write lyrics that had to go through the censor first. The Hungarian beat market was run by the big three between 1968 and 1970: Omega, Illes and Metro.
Omega was the first Hungarian rock band that was allowed to tour through Western Europe. The created the first Kosmonaut Space Rock in the mid-70s.
Omega - Sötét a város (1970) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGS4yghaVzA
Illes - Nehez az ut (1968) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AK8_FE4SCBs
Metro - A penz (1969) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lu07ygBHwZ4They
In the 1970s the decision-makers of the Cultural Bureau were replaced by some slightly more open-minden Commies. Now bands could seriously hope to get their album pressed and thrown on the market - usually with more success in the Eastern Bloc than in Hungary itself.
Syrius - Devil's Masquerade (1972) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYOud1Oi_nc
Hungaria - Vöröshangyaboly (1971) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgtSYtKXNCc (useless fact: my father played the guitar part on this recording: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPGzrwF65-Y when he worked as technician in the state-owned MHV studios -- the band was running out of time and couldn't finish the two-part set, so old baconhead recorded it in studio down-time)
Locomotiv GT - Megvárlak ma délben (1972) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sp2B33G2sag
Bergendy - Valamikor látlak-e még (1973) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDAf-UWlqD4
Skorpio - Vezess át az éjszakán (1976) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGjVUAN6_s0
Generál - Kapj elő egy lemezt! (1977) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFOwmGj4Se8
Mini - Fekete Gép (1978) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgOml8YEkL8
:)
In the middle and end of the 1960s, Hungary's pop music scene was still largely dominated by "Schlager"-style music. Western influences were not wished (too wild and liberal), so Hungarian beat bands had to mix the Hungarian folk elements with ideas from the rock bands from the west, and write lyrics that had to go through the censor first. The Hungarian beat market was run by the big three between 1968 and 1970: Omega, Illes and Metro.
Omega was the first Hungarian rock band that was allowed to tour through Western Europe. The created the first Kosmonaut Space Rock in the mid-70s.
Omega - Sötét a város (1970) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VGS4yghaVzA
Illes - Nehez az ut (1968) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AK8_FE4SCBs
Metro - A penz (1969) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lu07ygBHwZ4They
In the 1970s the decision-makers of the Cultural Bureau were replaced by some slightly more open-minden Commies. Now bands could seriously hope to get their album pressed and thrown on the market - usually with more success in the Eastern Bloc than in Hungary itself.
Syrius - Devil's Masquerade (1972) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYOud1Oi_nc
Hungaria - Vöröshangyaboly (1971) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgtSYtKXNCc (useless fact: my father played the guitar part on this recording: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPGzrwF65-Y when he worked as technician in the state-owned MHV studios -- the band was running out of time and couldn't finish the two-part set, so old baconhead recorded it in studio down-time)
Locomotiv GT - Megvárlak ma délben (1972) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sp2B33G2sag
Bergendy - Valamikor látlak-e még (1973) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDAf-UWlqD4
Skorpio - Vezess át az éjszakán (1976) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGjVUAN6_s0
Generál - Kapj elő egy lemezt! (1977) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tFOwmGj4Se8
Mini - Fekete Gép (1978) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qgOml8YEkL8
:)
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^ Thanks for that, really interesting stuff and a lot to explore and learn for me.
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hey Jules, thanks for that post!
Syrius is great, checking it out more now.
Hungaria are wonderful, like the Hungarian Beatles, fantastic.
Locomotiv GT is fantastic, love it.
will continue working down that list, as I'm sure it will be more awesomeness.
is there anything worthwhile in Hungary's traditional folk music? I'm quite interested in that part as well :)
Syrius is great, checking it out more now.
Hungaria are wonderful, like the Hungarian Beatles, fantastic.
Locomotiv GT is fantastic, love it.
will continue working down that list, as I'm sure it will be more awesomeness.
is there anything worthwhile in Hungary's traditional folk music? I'm quite interested in that part as well :)
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P.S. Jules, listening to General - Yeti, Man of the Mountain: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szGKkPhN9Ko and loving it but the album "Heart of Rock" it should be on I cannot seem to find. Do you have any of this in more permanent form?
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rhosey, thanks for the comments, I will answer later when I get home (might be late evening) :)
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no hurries, no worries :)
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So, first feed the baby: https://www.dropbox.com/s/2f8rdtqc5rb4s ... n.mp3?dl=0
General had actually two line-ups - they switched in 1976 from catchy-sugar-baby-shalala to commie-style-funk. Yeti is apparently the second line-up ;)
Syrius was an interesting, but short-lived band. They recorded an album in Australia, their singer and bass player (Jackie Orszaczky) emigrated there a bit later, and just after communist era their albums were finally released. You can imagine how "popular" the band was with the political leaders of Hungary in the 70s.
Locomotiv GT had a few line ups, from prog to pop. One of my personal favourites is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zy7yKtWGqK8 (I call it Hungarian Samba ;D), I like the drummer ;)
The Hungarian folk songs (not gypsy music, by the way) can be seen from different angles. I have to go back around 1000 years, because this is roughly the time the Kigdom of Hungary was established.
- region
The Hungarian territory has (been) changed a few times in the last 1000 years, some Hungarian folk music is now located in neighboring countries and not necessarily listed as 'Hungarian', but maybe 'Szekler', 'Wallachian' or similar (see: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_NRVU_XEIc)
- population
The Hungarian population is a quite a mix: Serbians, Germans, Croats, Greeks living on the Hungarian territory (roughly between the years 1000 and 1880) all have their more or less isolated settlements with their own cultural and social life - in the past much more than today. Interestingly, German music has nearly no impact on Hungarian folk music over the last 1000 years (this can be discussed separately, the reasons are many). Of course there are other folk groups with their own music, eg. the music of the Csango https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MCmFCMmkb0
- era
This is strongly depending on region and population. Hungarian prehistoric music shares roots with the Ugric folk music (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57lWg1-Iam8) and was later influenced by Slavian and Turkic music, latter to a much lesser extent than the music of the Balkans.
- dances
Songs and their dances usually have some reason or expected result, for example recruiting young men (verbunkos), joining the army (csardas), showing off to the girls in the hood (legenyes) to name a few. I am not an expert on dances, but by knowing the names of the dances it is a tad easier to find folk music.
- instruments and arrangements
The points above have (vice versa) impact on the instruments in use, and of course the musical arrangement. A very good example is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSyqj1DXZKg which is also from the Csangos (see above) in a much brighter, lighter sound. No violins and dulcimer (cimbalom) here, because these instruments came a few hundred years later... and many Hungarians would regard this linked sample as the original Hungarian folk music, and not the so-called coffee-house gypsy music: the gypsies came in the 15th century, some were appointed court musicians or played for entertaining purposes. Of course their presence at parties and other social gatherings has changed the musical landscape.
- style
All of the aforementioned points define the style (usually, categorized by region firstly, then by style). Csardas? You can have it as Szilagysag variant (today Romania) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1eGwQPJ7Dw or maybe Szatmar style (North-East Hungary, North-West Romania) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm8ELdbW4O4 or the Great Plain style (Southern Hungary) played on a hurdy-gurdy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPi9qwUgSuM ;)
Hope this answers your question a bit :)
General had actually two line-ups - they switched in 1976 from catchy-sugar-baby-shalala to commie-style-funk. Yeti is apparently the second line-up ;)
Syrius was an interesting, but short-lived band. They recorded an album in Australia, their singer and bass player (Jackie Orszaczky) emigrated there a bit later, and just after communist era their albums were finally released. You can imagine how "popular" the band was with the political leaders of Hungary in the 70s.
Locomotiv GT had a few line ups, from prog to pop. One of my personal favourites is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zy7yKtWGqK8 (I call it Hungarian Samba ;D), I like the drummer ;)
The Hungarian folk songs (not gypsy music, by the way) can be seen from different angles. I have to go back around 1000 years, because this is roughly the time the Kigdom of Hungary was established.
- region
The Hungarian territory has (been) changed a few times in the last 1000 years, some Hungarian folk music is now located in neighboring countries and not necessarily listed as 'Hungarian', but maybe 'Szekler', 'Wallachian' or similar (see: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_NRVU_XEIc)
- population
The Hungarian population is a quite a mix: Serbians, Germans, Croats, Greeks living on the Hungarian territory (roughly between the years 1000 and 1880) all have their more or less isolated settlements with their own cultural and social life - in the past much more than today. Interestingly, German music has nearly no impact on Hungarian folk music over the last 1000 years (this can be discussed separately, the reasons are many). Of course there are other folk groups with their own music, eg. the music of the Csango https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5MCmFCMmkb0
- era
This is strongly depending on region and population. Hungarian prehistoric music shares roots with the Ugric folk music (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=57lWg1-Iam8) and was later influenced by Slavian and Turkic music, latter to a much lesser extent than the music of the Balkans.
- dances
Songs and their dances usually have some reason or expected result, for example recruiting young men (verbunkos), joining the army (csardas), showing off to the girls in the hood (legenyes) to name a few. I am not an expert on dances, but by knowing the names of the dances it is a tad easier to find folk music.
- instruments and arrangements
The points above have (vice versa) impact on the instruments in use, and of course the musical arrangement. A very good example is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NSyqj1DXZKg which is also from the Csangos (see above) in a much brighter, lighter sound. No violins and dulcimer (cimbalom) here, because these instruments came a few hundred years later... and many Hungarians would regard this linked sample as the original Hungarian folk music, and not the so-called coffee-house gypsy music: the gypsies came in the 15th century, some were appointed court musicians or played for entertaining purposes. Of course their presence at parties and other social gatherings has changed the musical landscape.
- style
All of the aforementioned points define the style (usually, categorized by region firstly, then by style). Csardas? You can have it as Szilagysag variant (today Romania) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1eGwQPJ7Dw or maybe Szatmar style (North-East Hungary, North-West Romania) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hm8ELdbW4O4 or the Great Plain style (Southern Hungary) played on a hurdy-gurdy https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gPi9qwUgSuM ;)
Hope this answers your question a bit :)
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very cool. thanks for the huge post Jules, much obliged :)
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