Console-Kit vs systemd.logind

[dkeg]

hey gang, I'm a bit confused on this. I've read that console-kit is no longer supported and eventually replaced with systemd.logind. Oddly enough, I noticed I have both running.

I get mixed feedback for disabling it, that some things may still need CK. Any thoughts or knowledge to pass on with this? I have since just moved it out to test, so if need be can just replace

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sudo mv /usr/share/dbus-1/system-services/org.freedesktop.ConsoleKit.service ~/temp/

so far so good. Would be interested to hear from you guys though. I'm running Kielbasa.

*EDIT - so at that point I had rebooted and console-kit was not running, but when I just powered up again, it was back. ??
Looked again and found in

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/etc/dbus-1/system.d/

is ConsoleKit.conf. I renamed and rebooted.

console Kit is not running at this time.

thanks

[machinebacon]

Good point, Drew.

This had to happen at some point of time, when Debian finally adopts all services. If you are using a display manager it will probably automatically start consolekit to manage permissions. So, to go "full-natively" with systemd.login, you should/could disable/remove your DM (LightDM I guess) and start the session via tty. That both were started had probably to do with the situation that LightDM called consolekit (before you moved the service file to /temp)

We will see how things evolve and then, in future versions, find a solution - rhowaldt and I had had ideas about writing a kind of "no-X login manager" (those days for Oyster) and as soon as systemd is fully ported to Debian, we might start working on it to provide as little dependencies as possible with the same functionality as a DM. This would generally fit into the BBQ scheme: provide the necessary basic BBQapplications with low dependencies (like roaster, spatula, bbqradio, etc etc)

Greetings!

[rhowaldt]

bacon is probably right on this. on my Boner i am pretty sure i don't have consolekit, and everything works fine. there i use startx for logging in, no DM installed. so i think that confirms what was just said.

[GekkoP]

I'll disable Console-Kit too, following the dkeg instructions.
Then to get a sort of 'cb-exit', I need to use systemd in this: https://gist.github.com/jonyamo/5675359

[dkeg]

I just purge it now. keep in mind you can also just reboot, suspend, etc right from terminal, and set aliases for simplification. you can tie suspend to i3lock as well. IIRC, bbq has pre-set aliases for this. check out .bash_aliases

[GekkoP]

oh yes, I'm doing it for the terminal at the moment. Just for the sake of tinkering I'd like to make that i3-exit work :)

[Potatohead]

@mb – qingy login manager ?

[machinebacon]

^what's with it?

[Potatohead]

It's a no-X login manager

[machinebacon]

I do know about it, but ... what should I do with it? We have our own wmchooser.

[Potatohead]

I'm sorry, maybe I didn't understand it (I am a n00b compared to you guys), I thought you were looking for a no-X login manager:

rhowaldt and I had had ideas about writing a kind of "no-X login manager" (those days for Oyster) and as soon as systemd is fully ported to Debian, we might start working on it

[DebianJoe]

I know about Qingy as I used it for 1 day back on the FB-sid build. Ugly little thing. I hate it. Defaults to a GIANT ANT all up in where I should drop into tty1. I'm sure you can "rice it out" to look nice, but for what is essentially a middleman between me and getting stuff done, I don't see any purpose.

[wuxmedia]

^ and it didn't work very well with systemd, at least i couldn't be bothered to make it work.
i dont think it handles the suspend on lid down functions i generally look for in a DM. (TBH i don't understand why a DM should do that)
for me if a DM (text or whatever) makes it suspend on lid down that's great, otherwise just logging into a tty seems to work pretty nice.

[machinebacon]

I'm sorry, maybe I didn't understand it (I am a n00b compared to you guys), I thought you were looking for a no-X login manager:

rhowaldt and I had had ideas about writing a kind of "no-X login manager" (those days for Oyster) and as soon as systemd is fully ported to Debian, we might start working on it

It's written already. The quoted post is from February, and our wmchooser was introduced in July.

[rhowaldt]

^ we are *that* fast. actually, baconface is. i only built the initial framework in python+ncurses, and i believe bacon rewrote it completely in bash+something-something. iirc.

[machinebacon]

^ Yes, it's written in PensiPascal.

[DebianJoe]

^ we are *that* fast. actually.

I'm sure your girlfriend tells you this all of the time. ;)

[rhowaldt]

^ you are so funny DJ, i might die laughing one sweet day. to be honest, she usually tells me 'hurry up already, i got other shit to do'.

[machinebacon]

^ sex with rho, and other shit ;) :)