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[ivanovnegro]

^ Now my better half has one of those Androids. Honestly, it is crap. It feels like back to Windows. Tons of bullshit installed that you even cannot remove. Seems I need a course for their software management.

[GekkoP]

^ same here with my wife. But I hate everything smartphone/tablet related, so I don't count.

[vic]

Yeah, Android is a struggle to understand. But maybe there is hope at the end of the tunnel after all...

http://www.forbes.com/sites/ewanspence/ ... s-promise/

[machinebacon]

^ Nice, something's happening! :)

[rhowaldt]

i enjoy Android actually. if you go look at proper phones (talking smartphones here so not talking actual phonecalls and such) you can either go with Android or Apple. since iOS sucks major assholes (not randomly hating here, have actually used the thing and it is dogdamned unbelievable), you end up with Android. it is actually customizable a whole lot through 3rd party apps. don't use the defaults man, you should all know that by now. and apps that come with the device (especially Samsung's notorious amount of crapware) can be removed, but you gotta get root (duh, you gotta have root on Linux to do useful stuff).

forget user-friendly, approach it as you would a new Linux distro, tweak it out and have fun. seriously, i like Android :)

[kexolino]

^ The only problem is that if you do anything that requires root, or heavens forbid, unlock the bootloader, you lose the warranty for it. I should know, the ICS update sucked ass for my phone, so I flashed Cyanogenmod on it; few months later the screen broke, and of course when I took it for fixing I got a "fuck you, no warranty for you, pay up" from the shop/service/thing :D (ofc it was expected, but it still kinda hurt)

[wuxmedia]

iPhone - I have one with work, ios7 i'm not a big fan of, some things are well thought out, others are annoying.
I got another tablet for Xmas, that is so full of crapware, it must be a target for rooting/installing a custom OS. on the bottom bar it has volcontrol +/- (no hard buttons) screenshot (no hard vol button) home, recent apps...

anyway moaning about nothing, my old acer is great, only got a few crap apps.
My father in law got an iPad, he couldn't get past the 'tell me about yourself' bit and the apple id is like applying for citizenship... Hmmmm

True that Kexolino.

[ivanovnegro]

forget user-friendly, approach it as you would a new Linux distro, tweak it out and have fun. seriously, i like Android :)

If I had one I would go the Rho route but it is not mine so I do not touch it that much.

[machinebacon]

rho, it's sad enough that in its default state Android is a collection of broken shit. It can't be true that user (as in 'the owner of the phone') has to dig into the intestines of the OS to make it work in a way it should/could "of" (oh fuck this!) been by default. That's like buying a new Mercedes and then removing parts of the engine and the interior. Nihao?

It would definitely look differently if phones would come without OS at all, and you can go the "real Linux way" of installing the OS you like. Nihao!

[wuxmedia]

/me is waiting for BBQ KaptKrunch spin 8)

[ivanovnegro]

Moonlight, a new DE based on Qt from Cuba for minimal resources and educational purposes:

http://humanos.uci.cu/2014/01/moonlight ... nova-2015/

In English:

http://moonlightde.blogspot.de/

[rhowaldt]

@kexo: very true, only issue indeed.
@jules: very true. i just tend to be more accepting of the 'dystopian' qualities of the current situation. i mean, this is what we got, so i work with it. really interested in the phoneblocks (open hardware) stuff and such. plus, i read today that Korea or something has said all smartphones released in their country should have an uninstall option for bloatware (save for their implementations of wifi, nfs and such, which are always vendor-specific). so, give it some time, i think?

[machinebacon]

^^ seems like moonlight wants to make use of razorqt/lxde-qt stuff - i hope that any of them will solve their problematic panel, because it was the only thing I really hated about razorqt. And the only thing that crashed regularly.

^ yeah, South Korea was the one, home of Samsung :D

[johnraff]

The much-feted IT leader South Korea is in fact a major Windows stronghold. You have to use Internet Explorer to do any financial stuff at all - by law!
http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asi ... story.html
http://www.techdirt.com/articles/201205 ... -ago.shtml

[ivanovnegro]

That is so crazy and a whole country depends on a foreign company.

[machinebacon]

Ikey is back: http://evolve-os.com/

judging from the build scripts, EvolveOS is based on OpenSuSE and the desktop of choice is on top of GNOME shell.

[machinebacon]

And looky here @drew and @gekko: http://news.siduction.org/2014/01/fix-r ... -december/

I tried to find out what this regression is, and it seems some Mint (Ubuntu?) users suffered from the same symptoms.

[GekkoP]

Regression, huh? Plot thickens.

[machinebacon]

Regression: towo had a beer too much :D

[machinebacon]

@gekko/@drew: I don't know if it's siduction's repos timing out, but after an upg there is no 3.13 kernel in the repos anymore :D