Kernel 3.13-0.towo-siduction

[machinebacon]

Two more posts and you are:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_Express_555

[GekkoP]

^ damn, must post as a madman then cause I want to know how it feels at 999. :D

[RandomCharacter]

Towo has released a reworked 3.13.0 kernel. I don't know whether it will help this problem.

Linux tim-pc 3.13-0.towo-siduction-amd64 #1 SMP PREEMPT Mon Jan 20 10:20:02 UTC 2014 x86_64 GNU/Linux

Oops - That's not it. I neglected to reboot.

Tim

[RandomCharacter]

Here it is: Linux tim-pc 3.13-0.towo.3-siduction-amd64 #1 SMP PREEMPT Mon Jan 27 12:21:11 UTC 2014 x86_64 GNU/Linux

The bad news for me is, I lost back about 30 MB of the 40 MB of ram I gained when it went from 3.12.8 to 3.13.0. He must have left something out and added it back.

Tim

[GekkoP]

Everything's fine with Pony Muncher too. Also, on this one I'm running the non-PAE one.

[hhh]

OK if I revive this thread?

I just tried the towo.3 kernels (both pae and non) and the shl 3.13 kernel on my sid 32bit system, and lxtask showed them all as using 15MB more of my 1G of RAM then either the 3.13 trunk kernel in experimental or the 3.12 kernel in sid. FWIW.

2 other questions that should get their own threads but I'm lazy...

systemd adds a few MBs of RAM over sysviinit, why dat?

All the nvideo modules I've tried (non-free via apt, nvideo's own installer, all the sgfxi options) send RAM usage through the roof, up by over a couple hundred. Anyone know about that? The one confirmation I've found...
http://forums.solydxk.com/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2103

[dkeg]

this has been touched on before, albeit sporadically around the forums. It seems dependent on the user's system. For me, any towo kernel runs 20mb heavier than plain vanilla. slh is a tad lighter than towo. Four differences I see with systemd ... disclosure, opinion ahead
1. systemd-analyze
2. extra processes, e.g. logind, journald, etc., no extra benefit
3. added MB's
4. powers down fast

[hhh]

Thanks for the confirmation, dkeg. I found the same for systemd, it only shaved a couple seconds off the total boot process (startup plus shutdown). Cheers.

[hhh]

^Hilarious read! Thanks for the linkage ;)

-edit- pidsley linked to his init tests post, I swear! Blinked and it was gone.

[pidsley]

I'm going to lock this topic now. Some people get automatic notifications when posts appear in this section, and this upgrade warning is done. If you'd like to continue discussing init systems and kernels, please open a thread in a different section.

[machinebacon]

Very interesting indeed, because the 3.13-0 was slightly lower in RAM usage than 3.12-8 (at least on my machines) - and we can now safely assume that it was not ToWo who had a beer too much and forgot to add something (because slh's kernel had the same phenomenon there), and the 3.13-2 is now removed from the repos.

https://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel ... Log-3.13.3
vs.
less /usr/share/doc/linux-image-3.13-2.towo-siduction-686/changelog.Debian.gz

(adjust path accordingly) might give some clues, and I think the regressions all come from upstream (and that was the reason for 3.13-0 to be removed, or 3.12-8 shipped as default for siduction, although newer kernels were available at the time of their newest 'December' release)

We'll never really find out why :)

[edt: damned, just typed a tad too slow / closed, sorry]