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Re: Alpha Testing
You have restarted the keyboard service using "service keyboard-setup restart"? Sometimes it needs a reboot or at least a full logout.
What you describe about "acting like compose" must be a setting in keyboard-configuration or console-setup-linux. Could you install additionally "console-setup" from the repos? It should pull in xkb-data IIRC, which might solve your problem in X.
What you describe about "acting like compose" must be a setting in keyboard-configuration or console-setup-linux. Could you install additionally "console-setup" from the repos? It should pull in xkb-data IIRC, which might solve your problem in X.
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Re: Alpha Testing
Quite misleading that a noX release cares about the stuf that people will need in X ;)
But it's okay, the ISO size does not change much, and it would have to be added anyway later if people use X.
But it's okay, the ISO size does not change much, and it would have to be added anyway later if people use X.
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Re: Alpha Testing
tried all that, not much doing. gonna reboot one more time.
I see the emacs error will go with the clean .xinitrc.
Yeah it is annoying. Or rather, I am annoying :)
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Re: Alpha Testing
^ the xinitrc is originally just there as demo, I have already added a pristine xinitrc for the next spin.
Read the file "X11" too, so your term looks normal again ;)
Well no idea about keymaps, I will now remix the fixed version and then add X on top with i3 and a japanese (read: non-US) keyboard.
Read the file "X11" too, so your term looks normal again ;)
Well no idea about keymaps, I will now remix the fixed version and then add X on top with i3 and a japanese (read: non-US) keyboard.
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Re: Alpha Testing
yeah, nobody else has this?
I assume you all use US keymaps.
i installed 'xorg' seems to have given most packages.
And what's wrong with this term exactly ? :P
I assume you all use US keymaps.
i installed 'xorg' seems to have given most packages.
And what's wrong with this term exactly ? :P
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Re: Alpha Testing
^ hey it's super sunny up in this "office" today!
this lappy's screen is pretty crappy in the dark, let alone sunshine :P
that is another possible point, I know this is a NoX release, but are we implementing the dkeger script?
another question, -README says 'bbqinstaller' (dialogged one), as opposed to bbqinstall (simple script)
I used the dialog 'bbqinstaller' one and had no issues, but didn't we frown upon that for a bit, re support enquiries, or was that just me?
this lappy's screen is pretty crappy in the dark, let alone sunshine :P
that is another possible point, I know this is a NoX release, but are we implementing the dkeger script?
another question, -README says 'bbqinstaller' (dialogged one), as opposed to bbqinstall (simple script)
I used the dialog 'bbqinstaller' one and had no issues, but didn't we frown upon that for a bit, re support enquiries, or was that just me?
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^ sure, dkeger is always there, I won't remove it just because noX is noX. Else we would drop all xcolors, too ;)
Yup, bbqinstaller is still there, people want to have the option to skip GRUB installation, so I kept it as default. Both shall work.
okay, so I added X11 on top and all that shit that goes with it, dpkg-configure keyboard-configuration > Japanese, edited .xinitrc for setxkbmap jp, started X, and everything works as promised.
So, I am not sure where your problem is exactly, I am pretty sure it has to do with the keymap in keyboard-configuration, where you can select Alt-Gr and Compose. Good luck and tell us when you have news.
Yup, bbqinstaller is still there, people want to have the option to skip GRUB installation, so I kept it as default. Both shall work.
okay, so I added X11 on top and all that shit that goes with it, dpkg-configure keyboard-configuration > Japanese, edited .xinitrc for setxkbmap jp, started X, and everything works as promised.
So, I am not sure where your problem is exactly, I am pretty sure it has to do with the keymap in keyboard-configuration, where you can select Alt-Gr and Compose. Good luck and tell us when you have news.
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Re: Alpha Testing
I'm all for dkeger, needs this to implement the include line in this thread:
http://www.linuxbbq.org/bbs/viewtopic.p ... ger#p55233
or at least hint to it in the dkeger script.
annoying how one can't put "~/.Xresources_colors" instead of "/home/user/.Xresources_color".... hmm unless that resource file gets written in /usr/share somewhere, so the user never touches it?
^ I'll wait for the alpha v2 and re-install, and try not to press some random shit next time... :)
http://www.linuxbbq.org/bbs/viewtopic.p ... ger#p55233
or at least hint to it in the dkeger script.
annoying how one can't put "~/.Xresources_colors" instead of "/home/user/.Xresources_color".... hmm unless that resource file gets written in /usr/share somewhere, so the user never touches it?
^ I'll wait for the alpha v2 and re-install, and try not to press some random shit next time... :)
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Re: Alpha Testing
^ well, how else should 'dkeger' know where to source from? It does scan the xcolors directory (that is mirrored from github/xcolors), creates the menu, the user chooses, and then the colors are added into ~/.Xresources_colors. The default path is described in the readme (X11). New users cannot do more than to read the documentation. Revert to the old version, where ~/.Xresources get the path to xcolors/xcolor_code/colorname appended as #include? no good, because it might awk/sed other parts of Xresources and bork the file. I rather keep one line static (#include username).
Edit: I now understand what you mean by "annoying" - that Xresources doesn't handle these shortcuts! Got it :)
Oh and by the way, there is "setup" that can be used alternatively to setup new users - that script automatically adds the include line for the newly created user. Guess why I don't mention it anymore -- because even though I put it in bold red letters into the release notes and README, nobody cared reading and thus using the script. So what can we do? I totally sign: "edit your Xresources ONCE, because I know you don't bother to read the README", instead of wasting hours of manpower to find a solution that nobody cares about.
As last solution, I can simply add a "create new user" into the installer, and then the installer populates Xresources. No biggie. It does not solve the problem of "what if I rename the file" though.
Edit: I now understand what you mean by "annoying" - that Xresources doesn't handle these shortcuts! Got it :)
Oh and by the way, there is "setup" that can be used alternatively to setup new users - that script automatically adds the include line for the newly created user. Guess why I don't mention it anymore -- because even though I put it in bold red letters into the release notes and README, nobody cared reading and thus using the script. So what can we do? I totally sign: "edit your Xresources ONCE, because I know you don't bother to read the README", instead of wasting hours of manpower to find a solution that nobody cares about.
As last solution, I can simply add a "create new user" into the installer, and then the installer populates Xresources. No biggie. It does not solve the problem of "what if I rename the file" though.
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Re: Alpha Testing
long story short, Alpha 2 is in the blender, should be available in the next 4 hours.
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Re: Alpha Testing
I added some enhancement requests to waffle. I notice the tmux.conf issue has already been noted and fixed; thank you.
On a philosophical note, I think we should avoid creating scripts to do things like setup a new user or even to add X and a WM. These scripts always create more work than they are worth, don't teach anyone anything, and the support requests focus on how the script is "broken" rather than the real problem. I think it's better to write how-to topic and teach people; then if things don't work the way people expect, at least we have a clue what might be wrong. Just my opinion, of course.
On a philosophical note, I think we should avoid creating scripts to do things like setup a new user or even to add X and a WM. These scripts always create more work than they are worth, don't teach anyone anything, and the support requests focus on how the script is "broken" rather than the real problem. I think it's better to write how-to topic and teach people; then if things don't work the way people expect, at least we have a clue what might be wrong. Just my opinion, of course.
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^ I agree, that's exactly what I meant to say. The maximum I do is adding a README. Can't add eyes to it ;)
And I have incorporated your requests, the new ISO will have them fixed. Thank you! :)
And I have incorporated your requests, the new ISO will have them fixed. Thank you! :)
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Re: Alpha Testing
You guys are right, the X11 readme explains it.
I was just thinking a bit too much, all be fine if we could put a $USER shortcut in there.
hah! one can do:
#include ".Xresource_colors" and it seems happy with the relative path...
.Xres has to be in /home/$USER anyway and dkeger always writes to /home/$USER so maybe that?
or not, I'm happy I've solved my own little problem :)
I was just thinking a bit too much, all be fine if we could put a $USER shortcut in there.
hah! one can do:
#include ".Xresource_colors" and it seems happy with the relative path...
.Xres has to be in /home/$USER anyway and dkeger always writes to /home/$USER so maybe that?
or not, I'm happy I've solved my own little problem :)
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SF looks cankerous, Bacon do feel free to up to the iso folder, you have PM...
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^^ oh wow, makes sense! I put this in our notes
^ fantastic, thanks a lot
^ fantastic, thanks a lot
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Re: Alpha Testing
Here's the second (and last) Alpha, if you find bugs please report, if you have feature requests please post - it's your last chance ;)
http://www.linuxbbq.org/iso/linuxbbq-an ... 160713.iso
md5sum: ca1594b3813a3a9a0f6a45525fc89ef7 linuxbbq-anorexia-20160713.iso
Changes for 20160713
* updated/fixed README and X11 help file
* added pristine ~/.xinitrc in /etc/skel
* updated new version of env-info
* added openssl/ca-certificates
* fixed tmux.conf
* added console-setup and console-common
* added slmenu with some items (press Alt-d in terminal)
* added virgin .xinitrc
Expected changes for Beta 1:
* add bbqtools to slmenu
* little fix for .Xresources
* new background image for bootloader
http://www.linuxbbq.org/iso/linuxbbq-an ... 160713.iso
md5sum: ca1594b3813a3a9a0f6a45525fc89ef7 linuxbbq-anorexia-20160713.iso
Changes for 20160713
* updated/fixed README and X11 help file
* added pristine ~/.xinitrc in /etc/skel
* updated new version of env-info
* added openssl/ca-certificates
* fixed tmux.conf
* added console-setup and console-common
* added slmenu with some items (press Alt-d in terminal)
* added virgin .xinitrc
Expected changes for Beta 1:
* add bbqtools to slmenu
* little fix for .Xresources
* new background image for bootloader
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Re: Alpha Testing
Hmm, perhaps my old skool plan of using CD's (just like the old days) might have been slightly silly :)
I'll get out the old USB stick and test this tomorrow
I'll get out the old USB stick and test this tomorrow
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Re: Alpha Testing
first impressions:
bbqinstaller seems nicer, bigger window for copying files :)
console font looks nice. are those the default colours (for root)?
Weird - the debian loadbalancer fucked up some hashes, it would not upd... changed first entry to "ftp.uk.debian.org" in /etc/apt/sources/debian.list and it looks and upd's fine.
bbqinstaller seems nicer, bigger window for copying files :)
console font looks nice. are those the default colours (for root)?
Weird - the debian loadbalancer fucked up some hashes, it would not upd... changed first entry to "ftp.uk.debian.org" in /etc/apt/sources/debian.list and it looks and upd's fine.
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shock of the day, alt-dot still (for me) fucks up :(
installed X et al (as per ~/X11) and i3
didn't touch a thing related to keyboards still on "us" in xinitrc.
installed xfce4-terminal and all alt-dot ness works as expected, so something not connecting with .Xresources or xterm.
just for info, couldn't get urxvt to load from the beginning, complained about basefont. worked fine when I xfontselected and put it with -fn.
DID work after installing xfonts-terminus and a reboot/login perhaps put those together in the 'install for example urxvt'
PS alt-dot, as I'm sure by now you are fed up of hearing about, is fine and normal in urxvt also.. <- Not any more after purging xfce4-terminal.
Weird.
installed X et al (as per ~/X11) and i3
didn't touch a thing related to keyboards still on "us" in xinitrc.
installed xfce4-terminal and all alt-dot ness works as expected, so something not connecting with .Xresources or xterm.
just for info, couldn't get urxvt to load from the beginning, complained about basefont. worked fine when I xfontselected and put it with -fn.
DID work after installing xfonts-terminus and a reboot/login perhaps put those together in the 'install for example urxvt'
PS alt-dot, as I'm sure by now you are fed up of hearing about, is fine and normal in urxvt also.. <- Not any more after purging xfce4-terminal.
Weird.